‘I was so embarrassed I cried’: do parents share too much online?

From first smiles to teenage experiments, a generation of children has had their every move posted by their parents. What can they do about it?

Picture a child entering the world, around the time that a new social networking venture known as thefacebook.com is making its own entrance to the world. It is 2004, and the child is easy to picture. Her parents have photographed their daughter’s first breath, first smile, first spoonfuls and first steps. When she reaches school age, she is snapped in uniform, probably outside the front door, and one parent, probably her mother, shares the image with friends. The child learns to read, write her name. She wins certificates, excels at sport. When Twitter, Instagram and later Vine arrive, her public identities multiply. She starts secondary school.

In a few months, this child and her classmates will begin to turn 13 and, perhaps, create their own Facebook accounts. When they do, they will come face to face with their digital shadow. They may step into it easily, or try to sever themselves from it, but it won’t let go, this pre-existent media identity, because it has logged their lives from the moment they left the womb. Some will recognise their digital shadow, but what of those whose online identity bears little relation to their sense of self, or to the public identity they want to share? For years, parents have fretted about their children’s posting activities, while continuing to post as they wish about their offspring. Is it time they stopped – or at least asked for permission first?

Today these questions are on the minds of the children at Kingsford community school in Beckton, east London, where the 13-, 14- and 15-year-old members of the Debate Mate after-school club are filing into a classroom on the first floor, slinging down school bags and glancing at the motion on the whiteboard. “This house would ban parents from posting about their children on social media,” the debate leader writes.

“It’s kind of weird your parents are still posting pictures of you on social media,” someone says. One boy, Malachi, bows his head and writes a single word on his notepad: reputation. “This is really about consent,” his friend says. “Do I want to be seen by a larger, broader range of people?” There is a loud hum of agreement and one girl raises her voice: “Parents! We don’t want them invading our privacy. Because some of us, the only privacy we get is through social media.”

These pupils often discuss social networking sites, their attractions and perils, but this is the first time they have turned their scrutiny on their own parents. And yet parents are the object of an increasingly aggressive interrogation. This spring a mother from Shropshire called out her son’s bullying on Facebook, only for the post to go viral; the criticism of her became so intense she removed it and changed her Facebook page and phone number. Next came the 20-year-old mother from Balloch, Scotland, whose photographs of her 11-month-old daughter in tiny high fashion outfits attracted an Instagram following that included Khloé Kardashian – until critics claimed the woman was sexualising her baby. She has since locked the account and gone to ground. After her came the Arizona father who nakedly cradled his naked, feverish baby in the shower, an image his wife snapped and shared, before Facebook removed it as offensive.

Excessive sharing about your children has long incited disapproval, but recently the disapproval has begun to acquire a proto-legal tinge. In March, French police warned parents against posting photos of their children on social media; according to social media analyst Eric Delcroix, the children could soon be able to sue them for posting inappropriate pictures, under the country’s privacy laws. The treasurer of the UK’s Human Rights Lawyers Association, Leanne Targett-Parker, echoes the idea that it is only a matter of time before children mount legal challenges against oversharing parents. “You can’t imagine it not being something that starts to develop within the next five to 10 years,” she says. “I can’t see how there can’t be attempts at suing people for putting up posts that they’re unhappy with.”

Some parents may shrug off the shaming stories – and the professionalised sharing of family vloggers such as the Shaytards, the Brataleys, the Ballingers – as beyond the range of their own moderate social media activity. But listen to the children in the Kingsford classroom and it becomes clear how many degrees there are of shame. To these teenagers, even small instances of sharing can be divisive. When I ask if anyone has experienced being overshared themselves, hands shoot up, but the answers are a long way from the public shaming that normally grabs headlines. They are exactly the sort of infringements that many parents will commit without a second thought.

“I was eating a Subway. Chicken teriyaki. Eating that and my mum just took the picture and posted it on Facebook,” one pupil says.

“When I was little my parents took a picture of me being potty-trained. Three weeks ago they posted it on Facebook. Me on the toilet. It was really embarrassing,” another adds.

“I was with my aunt in the park. I was wearing my scarf but I didn’t have a pin. It flew off and my hair was all raggedy, sticking up all over the place. My auntie put it on Facebook. I was so embarrassed I was crying. I asked her to take it down but she said, ‘No, it looks cute.’”

“My uncle posted when his daughter had diarrhoea: ‘Pray for her.’”

One girl, 14, raises her hand. “Parents love to post things about you, personal information that you might not like,” she says. “Which kind of affects your relationship with them. Now, when you want to speak to them about certain things, you’re worried they might post it.”

Her classmate Erin stands up. Her team supports the motion on the whiteboard – that parents should be banned from posting – and they have an idea. “We want to pass a law that requires open forms of social media to put a consent button on their pages, so a child can report whether their parents have posted about them without consent,” she declares. “If parents refuse to cooperate, they will be fined the amount of £1,000.”

These suggestions may sound excessive and unfeasible; in fact they lie squarely within the recommendations made by a number of adults campaigning in this field. Erin’s idea of a penalty, for instance, echoes the attempts by a Democratic state representative in Illinois, La Shawn K Ford, to make the shaming of children on social networking sites an offence. Offending parents should face a penalty, he has argued, which, just like Erin’s, would be a fine paid directly to the child. As for the apparently far-fetched idea of a “consent button”, this sounds uncannily similar to the “delete button” proposed by 5Rights, the campaign steered by the peer and film-maker Beeban Kidron to protect and empower children online.

More generally, the debaters’ irritation chimes with research published in March by a team at the University of Michigan. After interviewing 249 parent-children pairings across 40 US states, the researchers found that children were more than twice as likely as parents to say that adults should not post information online about them without permission. Would the Kingsford children concur? Class E11 rings with shouts of, “Yes!”

“It ain’t going to happen,” their teacher, Miss Alimi, says.

“Miss!” one of her students cries. “There’s a thing called wishful thinking.”

***

Miss Alimi is right: children are unlikely to gain control over their parents’ posting habits. But there is still scope for a conversation about what constitutes fair sharing, and each family will draw its lines differently. Consider the case of Heather Whitten, the Arizona-based photographer and teaching assistant who took the photograph of her husband and son in the shower that Facebook didn’t like. Whitten saw the moment, and the image, as the height of parental care. Their toddler, Fox, had had a temperature for hours. Her husband, Thomas, was trying to cool the child’s fever. For two years, Whitten kept the image private, finally posting it in May after Facebook removed other pictures she had shared of her children. She wanted to take a stand, “to show that it’s just innocent pictures that people are twisting and getting offended by”.

She was unprepared for the response – for the way in which Facebook removed images from her page every time it received sufficient complaints, for the level of disapproval the image provoked, including claims that it was “sexual” or “inappropriate”. But Whitten’s stand had one other unexpected consequence. As the interested and the outraged followed the link to her blog, some began to question the legality, as well as the sense, of showing children naked. “I just thought you were free to post what you wanted on the internet,” Whitten says now. But then she discovered that in the state of Arizona, “you can’t show any naked images of children’s pelvic area or butt, and I realised I was technically breaking a law.”

She removed the blog – “took everything down” – but “in the bigger, moral sense, I don’t feel I’ve done anything wrong. I’m not exploiting my children. I’m not abusing my children. I’m just sharing our lives exactly how they are.”

Whitten’s experience shows just how nebulous and fraught the territory of sharing can be. Sure, her experience would never befall those for whom posting naked images of children is strictly out of bounds. But the case of Whitten is complicated. She and her partner are raising their children “to not be ashamed or embarrassed of their bodies”. They are living online within the offline boundaries they have set for themselves. “People don’t show nudity a lot of times because they think it will have a negative impact on their child. Your footprint is for ever on the internet,” Whitten says. “For me, it’s absurd. I just hope to combat that a little. Who knows how it will actually turn out, but I hope that my children won’t ever look back and see pictures of themselves as children and feel embarrassed by other people seeing them as well. Because there is nothing to be embarrassed about.”

Fox, the toddler in the shower, is still too young to veto or cherish the photograph that caused such controversy, but his older sister Lily, nine, “loves it”, according to her mother. “She couldn’t really wrap her head around why people would think there was anything wrong with it.”

And yet, while Lily was comfortable with the image of her baby brother, she was deeply unhappy with other photographs her mother had uploaded – the apparently harmless kind that many parents post. One day at around the age of six, Lily began to scroll through her mother’s Instagram. “She saw how many pictures there were of her and she didn’t like it,” Whitten says. For months, whenever Lily saw Whitten with the camera, she hid. “That really opened up a conversation about why I take pictures, why I share pictures, who I share pictures with.” Now, Whitten says, “any time you see Lily, it is with her permission”.

Alicia Blum-Ross, a researcher at the London School of Economics, believes we are entering a crucial moment. “We are starting to see kids who have grown up, whose parents have shared images, and who are beginning to say: ‘Wait a minute. I’m not sure I’m comfortable with that.’” What families need, she thinks, is a coming-of-age conversation. After all, it was Lily Whitten herself, at six, who instigated the dialogue with her mother that earned her the right to veto content. Does Lily have advice for other children? “They should say, ‘Please don’t take any pictures of me – it makes me uncomfortable,’” she says. “And ‘I might change my mind one day, but today I don’t want to have to hide from your camera.’” Soon this “digital rulebook” chat might become as standard as the one about the birds and the bees. Blum-Ross sees nothing to fear. Both parties, she points out, are united by being the first generation – of parents and children – to negotiate this path. “It can be a really shared experience,” she says enthusiastically. “The dilemmas are shared dilemmas, the pleasures are shared pleasures. It’s a moment of overlap.”

Blum-Ross, who has three-year-old twins, says she is “not a person who advises total protection. I certainly wouldn’t say, ‘Don’t share things about your children online.’ It’s important that parents are able to claim their own space about that. It’s OK to say, ‘I need this community.’” Whitten, too, has always seen her sharing in those terms: “I feel I share everything as my story – this is my perspective on my life as a mother with these children. I’m not trying to put words in their mouth, or tell the story from their perspective.”

It is one of the oldest questions of storytelling: who does the story belong to? Blum-Ross, Whitten and countless others believe they are telling their own stories, and sharing posts about their children where they fit that perspective. But it’s complicated. “I never had a filter before,” says Whitten, sounding forlorn. “I love the idea of having connections with other mothers and people. But I can’t share the way I used to.” After the Facebook furore, she is still fathoming whether to photograph differently or simply stop sharing.

For other parents, such as the author Amy Webb, who has written about her commitment to post nothing about her daughter online, the same process of consideration deters them from sharing altogether. They have the big conversation – with themselves, each other, sometimes their children – and decide the best answer is silence.

When the Guardian asked readers about their experiences, Apricot, who is 30 and lives in the north of England, wrote: “When I started to Facebook my own child’s pictures, I began to feel intensely uncomfortable. How could I instil in her a principle of privacy when I had essentially devalued hers from the beginning?” She stopped posting. “What we post is facets of ourselves,” said Tamasine Preece, a teacher in Bridgend, whose PhD includes a chapter on oversharing. “I think there is a morality to using children to explore parts of ourselves. My children are not me. They are separate.”

Kidron, who says she has never interacted with her children on social networking sites (they are now 19 and 21), thinks that her behaviour reflects the idea that “oversharing is inappropriate when the whole point of the journey to adulthood is to self-define – to work out who you are, what your values are, how you’re going to fit in. I think we have not thought hard enough about what that process might be like, if so much is shared and so much is public.

“There are three issues here,” she says. “One is the right to a certain sort of privacy. The second is the need of young people to transgress and bump into their edges, and for that to be somewhat safe. The third is the need to break away from the model of your parents.”

My own Facebook posts dried up as I researched this article. Of course, I can ask my children for consent, but I am not sure they are ready for a responsibility with permanent consequences. If an eight-year-old consents to a post, is it fair to act upon that consent, or should a parent second-guess how those feelings might evolve? After all, posts are eternal and a child cannot speak for his or her future self.

In any case, a child’s consent can be capricious, even within one given day. My daughter, at eight, would prefer her photo not to appear on Facebook, but would be more than happy to see a video of herself playing Swingball on YouTube. My six-year-old, meanwhile, says he is sad that “Google doesn’t know me”. Even the teenagers at Kingsford are conflicted. In the end, they vote against Erin’s suggestion of a fine for parents who share without their children’s consent, but they squirm in their seats, clawing the air for a turn to speak when I ask what rules they would lay down for their parents:

“Don’t say embarrassing jokes ’cos that’s too much.”

“As far as the world is concerned, we’re not related.”

“Post pictures of me when I look amazing.”

“Don’t post baby pictures unless I’m happy and fully clothed.”

“Don’t ever comment on my pictures.”

“Don’t stalk my profile waiting for me to load pictures.”

“Don’t follow.”

“Don’t add me. Or my friends.”

“Don’t tell dad jokes.”

“Don’t take pictures of me eating food, ’cos my friends take it out of context.”

“Don’t try and use internet slang on our wall. On your friends’ profiles you can embarrass yourselves all you want, but when it’s on our profiles it looks like we’ve taught you to say that. And it makes us look really bad.”

“Stay behind the times.”

***

Of course, every family is different. In a quiet cul-de-sac in Newton Abbot, Devon, with sunlight pouring into the lounge, Molly Povey and her 11-year-old son Roman are sitting on the sofa discussing their experience of going viral.

In April 2015, with Roman desperately unhappy at school, Molly posted a plea on her Facebook page for his classmates’ parents to send her “beautiful son” birthday cards. “Roman doesn’t have any friends and often cries himself to sleep,” the post began. It was shared around the world. “Maybe 40,000 times,” Molly says. (Interestingly, her post breaks only the second of the Kingsford rules, by disclosing that Molly and Roman are related.)

Neither Molly nor Roman, nor his two brothers, nor his dad Ian, who says he hates social media, were prepared for what happened next. Thousands of people left birthday greetings online. At the office of a friend – whose address was hastily borrowed to protect Roman’s privacy – cards and gifts began to arrive. Molly formalised the chaos into a Cards For Roman Facebook page.

Friendships were made, and some of them have lasted – to the extent that in April, a year after his mother’s plea for help, Roman celebrated his 12th birthday with 150 friends, strangers and Facebook friends at a Nando’s in Exeter and at a second party in London. They have even met up with well-wishers in Germany.

While Molly tells this story, talking quickly because there is a lot to fit in, Roman scurries to and fro with his gifts: a Star Wars chess set from someone in the Netherlands, pictures from Brazilian schoolchildren (Molly says he is very big in Brazil), wicker baskets of cards.

But sometimes Molly worries. “A bit. I think, what happens in years to come if he Googles himself and finds ‘Lonely boy with no friends’?” Last year the local paper ran a front-page headline saying just that. “I thought, oh my God, what have I done?” Roman was with her, and comforted her. “But it is true,” he said. “I am really lonely.”

For the Povey family, the benefits of Molly’s post are visible each day. His tearfulness has declined. The whole household is happier. Molly herself has found, in the Facebook page, a community that makes her feel supported and which, in turn, needs her. “And now you’ve got a responsibility,” Ian says. “It’s a strange thing.” He himself has never read the initial post, usually declines to appear in photographs, and thinks that when it comes to sharing, “It’s best to err on the side of caution.” Occasionally, Molly tells her community that Roman is having a bad day, or that she is: she doesn’t want to pretend to people who know loneliness that loneliness doesn’t happen. And yet, as Ian says, “It’s difficult to know sometimes what Roman really thinks about it.”

Molly leads the way up to Roman’s bedroom, to show more of the gifts people sent. There is James Bond notepaper from the actor Andrew Scott, who played the baddie in Spectre, and a crew T-shirt from Star Wars: Episode III.

I wonder if Roman minds thousands of strangers knowing he’s sad. “Do you mind?” Molly asks him. “Do you mind that people know you get really lonely?”

“Maybe,” Roman replies. “I don’t know. I’ll go yes: I don’t like it.”

“You don’t like it?” Molly repeats, incredulous.

“No.”

“What, that people around the world know you are lonely?”

“Yeah.”

“You don’t like it now?” she asks again.

“No.”

“Oh,” Molly says. She sounds deflated.

“It just feels weird, it does,” Roman tells her.

Although Molly has publicly revealed aspects of her son’s emotional life that other parents might hesitate to share, she is not incautious. For months she withheld Roman’s full name and has only recently felt comfortable disclosing that he is autistic. Before her heartfelt post, she deleted baby pictures of Roman’s older brother because he was about to start secondary school; surely the Kingsford debaters would approve.

Like Alicia Blum-Ross and Heather Whitten, Molly has rules. “Think about whether it’s appropriate – if in a year or five years your child would be embarrassed by anything you’ve done. And just why are you actually doing it? Is it a positive thing, or is it to give you a social boost as opposed to the children?” Molly might appear to be at the opposite end of the spectrum from Tamasine Preece, who never posts, but the morals that underpin their behaviour are remarkably alike. And while Molly thinks “you shouldn’t be posting pictures of kids in the bath”, in some ways her posts are as exposing as Whitten’s.

Later that evening Molly emails to say that the conversation with Roman had troubled her. After I’d left the house, she offered to take down the page, she says, but Roman said not to. “Turns out he was confused in his room and was talking about not liking being lonely, and not his page.”

Or maybe Roman, in that moment, wished no one knew he was lonely. Then, later, when his mother checked, he minded less. Or maybe he understands that the community his mother has created has benefited him and his family. But these are only guesses. It is impossible to know. He is young, and the world changes many times a day. His parents have his best interests at heart, but like any who share news of their children, every time they post, they cross a line between privacy and publicity. Where each parent sees the line is an unsteady, unsettleable question. For Roman, and others like him, the truth may be something they are still working out, or simply prefer not to share.

‘I’ve gone online after a few glasses of wine and said things I shouldn’t have’: parents and children talk social media

Elaine Star, 47, a PA and poet, and her youngest daughter Sadie, 17, a student, live in Brighton

Elaine I’ve had a Facebook account for about 10 years, so Sadie was probably seven when I first joined. I use it to keep in touch with different groups of people – old friends, my poetry group, the puppet show I work with. I’m also friends with a lot of my kids’ friends, because it’s often the best way of locating where mine are. I don’t think it bothers them. All their friends are happy to come to the house and sit around my kitchen table and chat, so I don’t think it’s odd. I don’t post on their friends’ pages – maybe just a “Happy birthday” message. But I’m really impressed by the sorts of things they share about science, politics – they’re very funny and insightful.

I have definitely made mistakes online. I’ve gone on after a few glasses of wine and said things I shouldn’t have. There have been some angry messages about the state my kids and their friends have left the house in. And they have all asked me to take down various photos. I get it: I’m sensitive to the fact that they’re trying to be cool or whatever.

I think I’m past the stage of worrying too much about embarrassing my kids. I write poems that are very personal, and I share them on Facebook. But that’s how I express myself. The kids have occasionally said, “Stop living your life on Facebook” but I’m an open person.

They’re all fairly streetwise. We have a very open dialogue in our house. They have occasionally posted things that I think are a bit questionable – showing off a bit about drinking with their friends, that sort of thing. I might have said, “Hmm, you might want to think about that” but I’ve never said, “Take that down.” I’m glad Facebook wasn’t around to record my teenage years, though. I’d hate it.

Sadie My siblings and I all use Facebook in different ways. Stevie posts a lot of pictures; Maisie likes to talk about stuff. Me and Joe post a lot of news stories, and I like posting videos or songs. I don’t like to put up personal pictures, or get too emotional on Facebook. My mum’s posts can be really personal.

At the beginning, I didn’t really want to be friends with her on Facebook. I didn’t really want her seeing pictures of me that my friends had posted. They weren’t anything bad; they just felt like a bit of my life that was separate from her. Now I don’t mind as much – I’m more open. She’s also friends with a lot of my friends on there. That’s not a problem, except that she’s quite free with what she writes. Something would happen between us, and she’d put it in a poem, and post it to Facebook, and I wondered whether my friends would see her in a different way. I think maybe I felt protective of her. But no one has ever said anything.

She has a lot of photos of us when we were little. When I was a bit younger, I hated seeing some of them online. I remember there was one where I was holding my pet hamster and I just thought I looked greasy and rough. And once my room was really messy and my mum said, “I’ll take pictures and put it on Facebook.” I would have hated it if she’d actually done it. Now I’m a bit older, I’ve learned to let go of it all a bit more. I think I’m OK with what’s out there about me.

Juliet Redelsperger-Talbot, 43, a marketing and events manager, and Nell, 13, live in Eye, Suffolk, with Nell’s father and her brother Lawrence, 10

Nell I’ve been cyberbullied before. One of my followers on Instagram, someone I knew, turned on me, then a couple of others who I’d thought were friendly were making comments on my posts. It wasn’t nice, and I wasn’t sure how to handle it. In school they give you lessons about what to do if it happens to you, but when it comes to it, the reality is very different. But the school did deal with it.

After that, I became a lot more careful about who I accept as friends, and what people can see. Now I have one account for my photography and a separate one for my closest friends.

I have looked briefly at Mum’s Facebook account, but I don’t have a clue about how Facebook works. I don’t think I mind that there are photos of me. If you know the people that can see those photos, then that’s OK. If it’s not private, I’m not so sure about that. But I don’t find it embarrassing. Maybe it’s because I don’t feel like the same person I was when I was little. It doesn’t feel as if those pictures are of me.

Juliet The cyberbullying was a harrowing time for Nell, but what was good was that some of her friends were supportive and took screenshots of the comments as proof of what was happening. Nell was worried I would be angry, so she didn’t come to me until after it was over. It was awful, but in a way, I think it helped her understand what you’re exposed to online.

Nell is a great photographer, and she sends me pictures, but I check that she is happy before I post anything on Facebook. Your children have every right to veto what you put online, although they have to be a certain age before they understand what it means. Neither of mine have ever had an issue with something I’ve posted, but then they’re the generation that are used to having photos of themselves everywhere. I think it meant something different for my generation. It took so long to get photos developed that seeing yourself was so much more important.

The children were very little when I first signed up. I don’t remember thinking much about privacy then. It wasn’t until I read in the paper how posts about your children might be seen by complete strangers that I changed my settings.

As time went by, I began to feel uncomfortable about posting. It felt like everything online was becoming more about “Look how wonderful I am” and it made me feel quite down. So I left for a while. Eventually I rejoined because it was hard to keep up with everything. So now I’ve started again but in a very different way.

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Paula Cocozza

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